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	<title>Comments on: Meatless Monday: What&#8217;s for dinner?</title>
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	<description>Caring about the environment is patriotic.</description>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.theredwhiteandgreen.com/2009/05/18/meatless-monday-whats-for-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound advice, Karen. And thank you for sharing the wonderful story about your grandmother with us. It&#039;s true: Some of the best meals I&#039;ve ever had have been the simplest ones. It&#039;s all about quality of ingredients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound advice, Karen. And thank you for sharing the wonderful story about your grandmother with us. It&#8217;s true: Some of the best meals I&#8217;ve ever had have been the simplest ones. It&#8217;s all about quality of ingredients.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a vegetarian but I do not like the taste of meat - I prefer veggies so I seldom eat meat. But I live with carnivores and we will eat meat but with a ton of veggies. For reasons posted here, (http://www.ecokaren.com/2010/01/eczema-and-foods/) we have not eaten red meat for awhile now. And no one misses it. But when we used to eat red meat, we used to buy them only grass-fed, for all the right reasons. 

My grandmother was a Buddhist and I remember hiking up to the temples in the mountains in Korea, before dawn, to pay respect to our elders who have passed, on their birthdays, memorials and holidays. And in those early mornings, after the ceremonies, the monks would cook us our breakfasts. All they gave us was vegetables and rice. And let me tell you, I still remember how delicious those meals were. Why? because they were WHOLE foods....vegetables they picked from their garden, and rice they recently bartered with the local rice farmers. They were not processed, fake anything....just pure, whole, unadulterated, and fresh vegetables. 

Becoming vegetarians seem like a good idea. But if you substitute your meat cravings with fake meats, I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s good for your body, nutritionally. Go with whole foods. You can&#039;t go wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a vegetarian but I do not like the taste of meat &#8211; I prefer veggies so I seldom eat meat. But I live with carnivores and we will eat meat but with a ton of veggies. For reasons posted here, (<a href="http://www.ecokaren.com/2010/01/eczema-and-foods/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecokaren.com/2010/01/eczema-and-foods/</a>) we have not eaten red meat for awhile now. And no one misses it. But when we used to eat red meat, we used to buy them only grass-fed, for all the right reasons. </p>
<p>My grandmother was a Buddhist and I remember hiking up to the temples in the mountains in Korea, before dawn, to pay respect to our elders who have passed, on their birthdays, memorials and holidays. And in those early mornings, after the ceremonies, the monks would cook us our breakfasts. All they gave us was vegetables and rice. And let me tell you, I still remember how delicious those meals were. Why? because they were WHOLE foods&#8230;.vegetables they picked from their garden, and rice they recently bartered with the local rice farmers. They were not processed, fake anything&#8230;.just pure, whole, unadulterated, and fresh vegetables. </p>
<p>Becoming vegetarians seem like a good idea. But if you substitute your meat cravings with fake meats, I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s good for your body, nutritionally. Go with whole foods. You can&#8217;t go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.theredwhiteandgreen.com/2009/05/18/meatless-monday-whats-for-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely respect and admire your personal convictions. Thanks for having such an open dialogue with me here!

Haven&#039;t read Eating Animals yet, but I did place a hold for a copy at my local library (hasn&#039;t come in yet, though -- evidently a lot of other people placed holds, too!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely respect and admire your personal convictions. Thanks for having such an open dialogue with me here!</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t read Eating Animals yet, but I did place a hold for a copy at my local library (hasn&#8217;t come in yet, though &#8212; evidently a lot of other people placed holds, too!).</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No argument from me about processed foods. I&#039;ve also read the arguments for ethical meat eating and would be delighted if a majority of people switched over from their current habits. 

But as someone whose best friend for 12 years was of the feline persuasion, I have a visceral reaction to the thought of eating anything I could have been friends with -- or, for that matter, anything that looks like what I look like inside. I don&#039;t consider myself a PETA-type activist; these are simply my personal convictions. I have to admit, I do feel a bit dismayed to hear that Katzen has gone off vegetarianism!

Incidentally, have you read Jonathan Safron Foer&#039;s Eating Animals? I think it&#039;s an engaging and surprisingly non-confrontational look at the issues involved in eating meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No argument from me about processed foods. I&#8217;ve also read the arguments for ethical meat eating and would be delighted if a majority of people switched over from their current habits. </p>
<p>But as someone whose best friend for 12 years was of the feline persuasion, I have a visceral reaction to the thought of eating anything I could have been friends with &#8212; or, for that matter, anything that looks like what I look like inside. I don&#8217;t consider myself a PETA-type activist; these are simply my personal convictions. I have to admit, I do feel a bit dismayed to hear that Katzen has gone off vegetarianism!</p>
<p>Incidentally, have you read Jonathan Safron Foer&#8217;s Eating Animals? I think it&#8217;s an engaging and surprisingly non-confrontational look at the issues involved in eating meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.theredwhiteandgreen.com/2009/05/18/meatless-monday-whats-for-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to come across a comprehensive environmental analysis of fake meat products versus real meat, although that&#039;s a really interesting idea, Jennifer. If you&#039;re going to compare the impact of factory-farmed meat to a Boca burger, even with its GM soy, I&#039;d have to guess that the Boca burger would win, hands down. However, if you&#039;re comparing buying grass-fed organic beef from a local rancher at your farmers market with a Boca burger, then I just don&#039;t know. If you&#039;re an animal-rights activist who doesn&#039;t believe that human beings should eat meat at all, then the choice is clear. But if you&#039;re interested in the issue from a purely environmental perspective? I personally would rather put money into the hands of my local farmers who are helping to put natural fertilizers back into the soil than line the pockets of Monsanto by eating a Boca burger.

You bring up an important point about the tradition of Chinese Buddhists making soy-based meat substitutes. I would point out, however, that there&#039;s a difference between occasionally supplementing your vegetarian diet with Buddhist &#039;vegetarian chicken&#039; and eating Morningstar Farms bacon for breakfast, a Quorn turk&#039;y burger for lunch, and a Boca chick&#039;n stir fry for dinner every day of the week. Processed food in large quantities -- even if it&#039;s veggie-based -- isn&#039;t good for your health. Maybe that&#039;s why even vegetarian icon Mollie Katzen is experimenting with meat again:

http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/why-vegetarians-are-eating-meat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to come across a comprehensive environmental analysis of fake meat products versus real meat, although that&#8217;s a really interesting idea, Jennifer. If you&#8217;re going to compare the impact of factory-farmed meat to a Boca burger, even with its GM soy, I&#8217;d have to guess that the Boca burger would win, hands down. However, if you&#8217;re comparing buying grass-fed organic beef from a local rancher at your farmers market with a Boca burger, then I just don&#8217;t know. If you&#8217;re an animal-rights activist who doesn&#8217;t believe that human beings should eat meat at all, then the choice is clear. But if you&#8217;re interested in the issue from a purely environmental perspective? I personally would rather put money into the hands of my local farmers who are helping to put natural fertilizers back into the soil than line the pockets of Monsanto by eating a Boca burger.</p>
<p>You bring up an important point about the tradition of Chinese Buddhists making soy-based meat substitutes. I would point out, however, that there&#8217;s a difference between occasionally supplementing your vegetarian diet with Buddhist &#8216;vegetarian chicken&#8217; and eating Morningstar Farms bacon for breakfast, a Quorn turk&#8217;y burger for lunch, and a Boca chick&#8217;n stir fry for dinner every day of the week. Processed food in large quantities &#8212; even if it&#8217;s veggie-based &#8212; isn&#8217;t good for your health. Maybe that&#8217;s why even vegetarian icon Mollie Katzen is experimenting with meat again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/why-vegetarians-are-eating-meat" rel="nofollow">http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/why-vegetarians-are-eating-meat</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.theredwhiteandgreen.com/2009/05/18/meatless-monday-whats-for-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been told that Chinese Buddhists have been making soy-based meat substitutes for a long time. My mom has recipes that have been passed down for &#039;vegetarian chicken&#039; (tightly rolled tofu skin, chewy and faintly meat-like in texture) and other soy-based foods meant to mimic the shape, texture, or taste of meat (to varying degrees of success).

My vegetarianism was motivated primarily by the close friendships I&#039;ve had with animals, not because I hated the taste of meat. On the occasions I do miss the taste, meat substitutes (I heart Quorn!) fill in a gap without the accompanying guilt. It&#039;s a compromise. I can see why people who are vegetarian for environmental reasons wouldn&#039;t have the same hang up about occasionally eating grass-fed or organic meat when they really crave it.

I wonder if anyone&#039;s done a comparison of the health and environmental impacts of fake meat products vs. real meat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told that Chinese Buddhists have been making soy-based meat substitutes for a long time. My mom has recipes that have been passed down for &#8216;vegetarian chicken&#8217; (tightly rolled tofu skin, chewy and faintly meat-like in texture) and other soy-based foods meant to mimic the shape, texture, or taste of meat (to varying degrees of success).</p>
<p>My vegetarianism was motivated primarily by the close friendships I&#8217;ve had with animals, not because I hated the taste of meat. On the occasions I do miss the taste, meat substitutes (I heart Quorn!) fill in a gap without the accompanying guilt. It&#8217;s a compromise. I can see why people who are vegetarian for environmental reasons wouldn&#8217;t have the same hang up about occasionally eating grass-fed or organic meat when they really crave it.</p>
<p>I wonder if anyone&#8217;s done a comparison of the health and environmental impacts of fake meat products vs. real meat?</p>
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